“Much is made lately of unrealized gains being a means of tax avoidance, so I propose selling 10% of my Tesla stock. Do you support this?”
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“@TheBabylonBee “Tax experts said they're not sure if claiming unrealized donations is legal, but admitted it's all very confusing, as the government is printing fake money and taxing nonexistent profits and nothing is real anymore.” 🤣🤣”
“@wapodavenport US national debt is ~$28,900 billion or ~$229k per taxpayer. Even taxing all “billionaires” at 100% would only make a small dent in that number, so obviously the rest must come from the general public. This is basic math. Spending is the real problem. https://t.co/1EwWyqdVsT https://www.usdebtclock.org”
“@wapodavenport According to their own estimates, this tax only covers ~10% of the $3.5 trillion spending bill. Where will the other 90% come from? The answer is you.”
“@WholeMarsBlog Normally, competitive pressure would force Apple to lower fees, but Apple & Android have a duopoly on phones. When interface familiarity is taken into account, it’s basically a monopoly. The effective 30% sales tax Apple charges is hidden from users or there would be an outcry.”
“Apple app store fees are a de facto global tax on the Internet. Epic is right.”
“@PPathole Exactly. Only time I sell Tesla stock is when my stock options are expiring & I have no choice. Btw, I will continue to pay income taxes in California proportionate to my time in state, which is & will be significant.”
“It is high time there was a carbon tax!”
“@TrungTPhan Had no money to invest in Zip2, but my founder equity yielded ~$15M after tax. Of that, I rolled ~$10M into PayPal, which yielded ~$180M, then … Basic principle is that I would not ask investors to risk money on my company if I would not also do so.”
“@Rjdlandscapes @Tesla Prices in the US (of all goods) don’t include VAT, but it’s usually included in other countries. Then there’s import duty & transport costs. The intent is that revenue to Tesla is roughly similar in all countries, so taxes, tariffs & transport make up the difference.”
“@Adamklotz_ It’s meant to be the same price in all countries. Only difference should be taxes & shipping.”
“@kenyanwalstreet Not actually a payout, just a vesting of stock options. It may never pay out, as the stock can’t be sold for 5 years after exercise. The stock must be bought & income taxes paid, then hold value for 5 years.”
“Btw, Tesla actually receives *least* subsidies of any automaker in US. Federal tax credit applies to other automaker EVs, but no longer Tesla.”
“@flcnhvy @Ford Exactly! A carbon tax is needed to correct the unpriced externality & market will do the rest. The consequences of slow action are serious. In my opinion, we need to convert >80% of the global road, sea & air fleet to renewables by 2050.”
“@cleantechnica Worth noting that, as of Jan 1, Tesla buyers no longer received any federal tax credit. Model 3 led despite this disadvantage.”
“@steezyysosa @teslaownersSV @28delayslater @thirdrowtesla Yeah, about $35k with shipping & taxes”
“@Teslatunity @Model3Owners There aren’t really meant to be “Tesla incentives”, just general price changes to reflect optimal value of product, as we sometimes get prices of some variants wrong or need to (partially) address shifts in tax incentives. Overarching principle, however, is same deal for all.”
“Without the removal fee, Tesla Solar is unequivocally a guaranteed, instant money printer, producing $300 to $1000 per year (in after tax income!)”
“@TeslaClubIN @Yashwanthnadal For other countries, we pay in part for the local factory by selling cars there ahead of time. Also, gives a sense of demand. Current rules in India prevent that, but recent changes in sales tax give hope for future changes.”
“Reminder that US federal tax drops by $1875 for any Tesla delivered after June 30. Order online at https://t.co/46TXqRrsdr. http://Tesla.com”
“Also $2500 tax credit for California & $500 to $800 utility incentive https://t.co/lmD3ZNFR9M https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives”
“US tax credit of $3750 drops in half for Tesla on July 1. Order online in a few mins at https://t.co/46TXqRrsdr. Return in 7 days for full refund. http://Tesla.com”
“@Mike_Mitrakos More like $1000, but varies by country due to big differences in tax”
“@ialexryan Tax authorities tend to interpret things in their favor, but it sure sounds like you could be right! Will investigate.”
“@Paulojvn Which country? There is a 10% import duty, ~20% VAT (US prices don’t include sales tax) and about $2000 in extra shipping cost, but it shouldn’t add up to $25k.”
“Reminder to US buyers that the $7500 tax credit cuts in half in 5 days! Order online at https://t.co/46TXqRrsdr to see if there is any inventory left in your region or visit Tesla stores. http://Tesla.com”
“@wangmeister If Tesla committed delivery & customer made good faith efforts to receive before year end, Tesla will cover the tax credit difference”
“Tesla has released all cars for sale where original customer can’t take delivery before year end, as well as test drive / display cars, which cost less. Reminder to US buyers that $7500 tax credit drops in half in 8 days. Order online at https://t.co/46TXqRrsdr or visit stores. http://Tesla.com”
“Important note for US Tesla buyers: Federal tax credit drops by $3750 in 3 weeks. To be on the cancellation waitlist for delivery this year or if you want a display car, order at https://t.co/46TXqRJ3C1 or visit our stores. Full refund if Tesla can’t deliver your car this year. http://Tesla.com”
“@vplikeTRUMP @jorendewachter @xJawz @joerogan @MazzucatoM Yes, consumption tax is way better. Also, higher estate tax better than income/cap gains tax. Probability of progeny being equally excellent at capital allocation is not high.”
“@xJawz @joerogan Yeah, all-inclusive tax rate of 40% seems about right. Below 30% is unrealistic for critical govt functions unless national defense is de facto outsourced & above 50% too negatively affects economic output.”
“@ismailnathij @stapf @Tesla Tesla always charges the same price for a Powerwall (only taxes & shipping costs vary), so something is messed up here. I've asked my team to stop shipment to any installers charging excessive premiums.”
“@NickHOrford $US price in $AUD plus import duties and sales tax”
“@Lee_Ars This is true. The economics are not yet compelling where housing and utility costs are low and property taxes are high.”
“George Schultz and Jim Baker article in @WSJ regarding a carbon tax https://t.co/tf2Urgms85 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-conservative-answer-to-climate-change-1486512334”
“Rex Tillerson supports a carbon tax. This is what is really needed to move the needle. https://t.co/6ne01TOzs1 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-10/watch-elon-musk-agree-with-exxon-time-for-a-carbon-tax”
“The libertarian argument for a carbon tax https://t.co/WmbGp2YuUO http://www.rgj.com/story/money/business/2016/07/28/elon-musk-makes-libertarian-argument-carbon-tax/87638264/”
“This article does not appreciate that Tesla is in California despite taxes net of rebates being higher. Incentives only a partial offset.”
“Tesla policy is to charge the same price (+ taxes & shipping) everywhere in the world http://t.co/cXOtokcBeG http://teslamotors.com/blog/fair-price”
“@CosmicRami Awesome. We really need to promote that fact in the US. A CO2 tax will not cause economy to grind to a halt!”
“If consumption is low, then the tax is proportionately low. We should prob not have tax on basic foods & critical meds.”
“Net of gas savings, a Tesla is $550 to $600/month with down payment taken care of by tax credits. Maybe less costly then it first seems.”
“Yes, am arguing against subsidies and in favor of a tax on the end bad created. Market will then achieve best solution.”
“Big difference between taxing people and taxing purchases (ie consumption). Much better to emphasize the latter.”
“Me & other private money funded Tesla for first 7 years, got IPO+ govt money for 3, now paid back. Yes, carbon tax would be a better way.”
“@grayj_ There should be a constitutional amendment to redo the tax code every ten years, just like we do a census.”
“Weight of scientific evidence. Taxes don't ban a purchase, they just increase cost. Am against bans, except in extreme cases.”
“Exactly. Better to tax known bad thing and incent desired outcome, instead of subsidizing particular solution paths. Let market decide.”
“Perhaps. I am in favor of fair, simple taxes that are neutral on most things, incent good & disincent bad.”
“@VarunG_ Belief in climate change isn't necessary. Even a small probability of a severe outcome justifies a carbon tax.”
